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Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:56 pm
by Jeshin
For people who keep asking for alternative locations. I think you miss the fact that Utterby is setup this way for a reason. Each 'division' or 'segement' is a literal monopoly. There will never be a true Lodge competitor, there will never be an alternate inn, there will never be an infirm not overseen by the guard.

Unless the staff opt into changing the fundamental structure of Utterby away from simple 1-off monopolies. These changes won't come. An having a simple wishlist request for an alternative location isn't going to cut it. You'd be better off making a thread outlining a new model for Utterby. It is ALPHA, concept changes can still be done.

Laketown will probably have more variety / choice though.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:05 pm
by krelm
Sidenote, I wouldn't make any swords today. They have the same bug the bludgeons have and I don't have the ability to fix them without someone who has higher access.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:25 am
by RiderOnTheStorm
I just realized leather leggings significantly hinder sneak/hide (which of course doesn't make much sense), I thought it was just the gambeson, which -massively- hinders.

What is that, like -20 total? More?

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:45 am
by kestrel
RiderOnTheStorm wrote:I just realized leather leggings significantly hinder sneak/hide (which of course doesn't make much sense), I thought it was just the gambeson, which -massively- hinders.

What is that, like -20 total? More?
Yeah, it definitely needs fixing. I'm sure they'll get to it when they can, though!

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:48 am
by Onasaki
People to obey the laws of vNPCs and not come marching into our freaking caves like they own the place.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:54 am
by AdamBlue
What Onasaki said. You know who you are. You are being nothing but twinky and legitimately terrible as both characters and players.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:54 am
by radioactivejesus
Onasaki wrote:People to obey the laws of vNPCs and not come marching into our freaking caves like they own the place.
+1. Please understand that there are between 30-50 vnpc orcs living in the Vadok mountains. This is the equivalent to our group walking into the room right outside your tavern and trying to jump straight to coded pvp with the random people that wander by, while ignoring the existance of the vnpc militia that would likely push our shit in. If you want to attack the mountain, that's cool. But it should be an RPT event, with staff involvement and proper buildup from both sides

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:55 am
by krelm
Technically the orcs did this a couple of weeks ago. Well, I was leading said orcs, but yeah.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:57 am
by kingsfoil
It's about equal, in my eyes, to showing up to the gates of Utterby in large numbers and shooting human PCs standing directly outside them.

In range of the palisades, which have vNPC archers with longbows, which would have shot the orcs dead.

So, gimme a break. Don't like it? Don't do it.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:58 am
by RiderOnTheStorm
Yeah, haha, I was just surprised. I didn't realize the leggings did it. Been wearing them. So I'm actually better at sneak/hide than I realized, whoo.

Also, uh..the orcs attacked Utterby on like day 2 of the game, you have no room to talk. (I wasn't involved in the attack.)

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:59 am
by WorkerDrone
Yeah I'm legitimately pissed, speaking from the opposite side, that that came to pass. But it was one person leading a bunch of people into the maw, and then RIGHT up to the proverbial and perhaps literal doorstep, without the majority's consent. I suppose we should've known better and chosen not to switch group leaders, but then I didn't expect something that balls crazy to happen.

Anyway, the whole talk of "you guys have no room to talk" isn't very fair. Krelm -apologized- for doing it. Show some humility, guys.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:01 am
by Onasaki
The difference is, we didn't come rushing into your town and murdering your people. We stayed outside, and the Admins echoed arrows flying, and we retreated.

Currently the Admins are busy. Otherwise it would not happen.

The Vadok Mountain is the equivalency of Utterby. There are bunches of vNPC orc patrols that go in and out at all times. I highly doubt a group of seven scantily armored humans would be able to pierce through a group of 10-15 orcs clad in metals and leather, without some extensive casualties.

We don't come marching up to your doorstep when your admins aren't around to offer echoes.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:03 am
by radioactivejesus
RiderOnTheStorm wrote: Also, uh..the orcs attacked Utterby on like day 2 of the game, you have no room to talk. (I wasn't involved in the attack.)
neither were most of the orcs who are currently roleplaying within the sphere. A lot of pc's involved in that have died, and I believe many of them have moved on to the human sphere, though I could be wrong. The biggest thing I'm pissed off about is the straight jump to code by some of the pc's involved. If roleplay in combat is completely out the window and it's just a quest to gank the most enemies, I guess I'll learn to live with that, but I'd like to be on the same page as everyone else

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:03 am
by RiderOnTheStorm
WorkerDrone wrote:Yeah I'm legitimately pissed, speaking from the opposite side, that that came to pass. But it was one person leading a bunch of people into the maw, and then RIGHT up to the proverbial and perhaps literal doorstep, without the majority's consent. I suppose we should've known better and chosen not to switch group leaders, but then I didn't expect something that balls crazy to happen.

Anyway, the whole talk of "you guys have no room to talk" isn't very fair. Krelm -apologized- for doing it. Show some humility, guys.
Apologized after getting what, 7 PCs killed? It's not like he and all the orc players didn't know what they were doing.

A group of orcs also came out just the other day and were 6 rooms from utterby's gate, shooting at people. I have 0 sympathy.

The orc -tunnel- alone is like 12 rooms, to put that on perspective,

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:05 am
by krelm
It was 4 killed, actually, and we were two rooms outside of Utterby's gates, which at the time didn't have guards.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:05 am
by WorkerDrone
Well they're not scantily clad by comparison, in all truth, but that's beside the point. Both sides have performed recklessly in the past, and hopefully both sides will perform less recklessly after this re-occurring incident.

Apologized for walking that close to the gates, with such a clear presence of vNPCs and a wide margin for error because of it. Not the PKing. If we'd killed anyone, it wouldn't need a signed apology, but doing what we shouldn't have done isn't excusable just because the other side did it first.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:06 am
by AdamBlue
RiderOnTheStorm wrote:
WorkerDrone wrote:Yeah I'm legitimately pissed, speaking from the opposite side, that that came to pass. But it was one person leading a bunch of people into the maw, and then RIGHT up to the proverbial and perhaps literal doorstep, without the majority's consent. I suppose we should've known better and chosen not to switch group leaders, but then I didn't expect something that balls crazy to happen.

Anyway, the whole talk of "you guys have no room to talk" isn't very fair. Krelm -apologized- for doing it. Show some humility, guys.
Apologized after getting what, 7 PCs killed? It's not like he and all the orc players didn't know what they were doing.

A group of orcs also came out just the other day and were 6 rooms from utterby's gate, shooting at people. I have 0 sympathy.

The orc -tunnel- alone is like 12 rooms, to put that on perspective,
There's a difference between nearing the gate and seeing a few humans so firing off a potshot or two, to moving to the literal snarfagling doorstep of the heart of the goddamn tunnels with a no-RP kill squad in an attempt to inflate your goddamn ego knowing that there are no admins around to punish you for your ass-hattery.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:15 am
by Songweaver
Based on what I saw, this looked like a misunderstanding on the part of the player. I could be wrong there, but that's what it looked like.

It isn't like there are things in the description saying "You Have Arrived to Orc Town" or "vNPC orcs wander these halls". The vNPCs, imo, probably linger behind orc town door proper. If not, then that should definitely be made evident.

The difference with Utterby's walls is the lack of building to support palisade archery, currently. A little bit of building can go a long way.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:16 am
by WorkerDrone
Woah, woah, woah. Let's calm down. Realize for fact that the majority involved in this incident are just as outraged and embarrassed and that it wasn't intentional.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:17 am
by kingsfoil
AdamBlue wrote:
RiderOnTheStorm wrote:
WorkerDrone wrote:Yeah I'm legitimately pissed, speaking from the opposite side, that that came to pass. But it was one person leading a bunch of people into the maw, and then RIGHT up to the proverbial and perhaps literal doorstep, without the majority's consent. I suppose we should've known better and chosen not to switch group leaders, but then I didn't expect something that balls crazy to happen.

Anyway, the whole talk of "you guys have no room to talk" isn't very fair. Krelm -apologized- for doing it. Show some humility, guys.
Apologized after getting what, 7 PCs killed? It's not like he and all the orc players didn't know what they were doing.

A group of orcs also came out just the other day and were 6 rooms from utterby's gate, shooting at people. I have 0 sympathy.

The orc -tunnel- alone is like 12 rooms, to put that on perspective,
There's a difference between nearing the gate and seeing a few humans so firing off a potshot or two, to moving to the literal snarfagling doorstep of the heart of the goddamn tunnels with a no-RP kill squad in an attempt to inflate your goddamn ego knowing that there are no admins around to punish you for your ass-hattery.
Let me clear up some misunderstandings, speaking as the person who was leading the ill-advised charge.

1. If you knew my PC, it might make more sense.

2. I didn't know that was the door to the orc town, as I haven't played an orc. I thought it was just some other tunnel.

3. I didn't know there was any significant vNPC strength in the mountain, as I haven't seen this stressed anywhere.

Everything I've read about orcs on the forums is that there's horrible infighting, the NPC clan can barely keep it together, they're doing poorly, etc. Nothing to suggest or align with having metal-clad orc guards marching about.

I admit to having a misconception about this, if the case is otherwise.


4. I'm not casting blame, here, because I don't think it's wrong considering the situation, but the human side was not the one to start the no-RP movement in this particular situation. Prior to the actual charge, there was orcish spam running around the tunnels that told me "okay, the orcs aren't interested in RP."

The general rule is, if you give RP in combat situations, you get RP. If you act like you aren't going to RP, don't expect it in return.

4. Getting arrow echoes from admins is one thing, but it isn't stopping you guys from using lethal force on PCs literally in the room just outside Utterby's town gate, as recent as one week ago. Am I saying, "eye for an eye?" No. But it is hypocritical to criticize actions like this when it's still happening repetitively.

That said, "Outraged and embarrassed," really?

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:19 am
by WorkerDrone
There's literally very little in the way of "metal clad orc guards", for the record. But that's beside the point.

And yeah, outraged and embarrassed. That was kind of like saying, wow, we made this mistake before, and we all learned from it, right?

Right?

Apparently not.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:24 am
by kingsfoil
WorkerDrone wrote:There's literally very little in the way of "metal clad orc guards", for the record. But that's beside the point.

And yeah, outraged and embarrassed. That was kind of like saying, wow, we made this mistake before, and we all learned from it, right?

Right?

Apparently not.
I don't think you're accepting the message in what I just posted, regarding having misconceptions about the situation, if you're blaming me for not having learned from making mistakes in the past (which I wasn't a part of).

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:25 am
by WorkerDrone
I did make the statement under the presumption that you were aware of the circumstances regarding the first incident, but since you weren't, it'd be fair to excuse you, yeah.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:28 am
by tehkory
Sorry, but Kingsfoil's got a point. I'm not outraged and embarassed. I had no idea(and the game gave me and many others no idea) that we were literally at Orc-Utterby's gate. I didn't know until I looked here.

Calm down. There was a foul. But the foul only happened because none of us had any idea where the goal line was.

Re: Utterby Wish List

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:30 am
by Songweaver
Correct. The descriptions outside of Utterby make it more clear that you're drawing close to the town. It would be easy to create a token program for both sides that checks a PC's clanning when they "get too close" and sends up alarms to Utterby/Orc-Town. Or add NPC guards with bows. Or something.