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The interrim

Postby Octavius » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:22 pm

I would like to ask a question for the Tolkienaphiles:

What is known of events in Middle Earth between the Hobbit and LOTR? From when Bilbo returns home to his 111 birthday? Smaug died, the Lonely Mountain reinhabited, the Necromancer destroyed... then what?
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Re: The interrim

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Re: The interrim

Postby Octavius » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:57 pm

Thank you for providing a link - I do appreciate references on this project. The relevant portions on this link only really say this:
2951 - Sauron reveals himself in Mordor and starts to rebuild Barad-dûr.
2942 - Sauron returns to Mordor.
2942 - Bilbo Baggins returns to Bag End after the Quest of Erebor
2941 - Battle of Five Armies is fought.Thorin Oakenshield, Fíli and Kíli are slain. Beorn kills Bolg son of Azog.
2941 - Smaug launches and attack on Esgaroth and is killed by Bard the Bowman.


I'm more looking for the Tolkien Scholar sort to weigh in and talk about the snippets from sources that talk about this to help make sure we've considered it. What do they say in Lord of the Rings that references recent history? Those things talked about in the decades between books become the contemporary references for the game setting here.
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Re: The interrim

Postby Olthadir » Sun Dec 08, 2013 11:31 pm

The Encyclopedia Arda is a good starting point for things like this to give an idea of what happened and where to look for information.

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/chronicle. ... 1&endage=3

Here is a much more detailed timeline between Bilbo's adventure to when Sam returns home after the War of the Ring.
Granted, it is still a timeline and populated with births and such, but it does have some interesting tidbits on Gollum, Sauron's movements and activity in and around Rhovanion.
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Re: The interrim

Postby Octavius » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:14 pm

Some good things there... this is a shortened version of highlights regarding what is in the five RL years after the Coming of Smaug....

Comments and discussion? Amplification?

2941
Journey of Bilbo Baggins to Erebor with Thorin and Gandalf.

Expulsion of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur by the White Council.

Bard the Bowman slays the Dragon Smaug.

25 April Gandalf briefly visits Bilbo Baggins at Bag End.

26 April Thorin and Company come to Bag End with Gandalf, and the planning of the Quest of Erebor begins.

27 April Gandalf, Bilbo Baggins and the Dwarves set out from Bag End on the Quest of Erebor.

May Bilbo and the Dwarves encounter three trolls, and narrowly escape being eaten.

Midyear's Day Bilbo Baggins and the Dwarves set out from Rivendell on their journey to the Lonely Mountain.

July Bilbo Baggins comes across the One Ring beneath the Misty Mountains.

October The Battle of Five Armies. Thorin Oakenshield is slain, and his cousin Dáin Ironfoot becomes King of Durin's Folk.


2942
Return of Sauron to Mordor.

Return of Bilbo Baggins to the Shire.

2944
Bard completes the rebuilding of Dale, and is made its King.

Gollum sets out from the Misty Mountains in search of his lost Precious.

2948

Birth of Théoden, later King of Rohan

2949
Bilbo Baggins is visited in the Shire by Gandalf and Balin.

2951
Rebuilding of Barad-dûr begins.

Khamûl and two other Nazgûl are sent to reclaim Dol Guldur.

Elrond reveals Aragorn's ancestry to him. The first meeting of Aragorn and Arwen, in the woods of Rivendell.

2953
The last meeting of the White Council.

Saruman claims Isengard as his own and begins to fortify it.

Death of Steward Turgon. He is succeeded by his son, Ecthelion II.

Death of King Fengel of Rohan. He is succeeded by his son Thengel.

2954
Mount Doom erupts, causing the last remaining people of Ithilien to flee across the Anduin.

2955
Likely date of the birth of Imrahil of Dol Amroth.

2956
Gandalf and Aragorn meet for the first time.

2957
Aragorn enters the service of Thengel of Rohan, under the alias of Thorongil.

2968
22 September Birth of Frodo Baggins in the Shire.


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Re: The interrim

Postby Olthadir » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:57 pm

After the coming of Smaug? This starts with Bilbo leaving the Shire and Frodo's birth.
Here is some interesting points from the arrival of Smaug to his death.

Should paint a complete picture of events in Rhovanion.

2770
Smaug descends on Erebor, destroying it and the neighbouring town of Dale.

2772
Birth of Dwalin.

2774
Birth of Óin son of Gróin.

2783
Birth of Glóin son of Gróin.

2790
Thrór is slain in Moria by Azog. His son Thráin succeeds as King of Durin's Folk.

2793
To avenge his father's death, Thráin II leads the Dwarves against the Orcs: the War of the Dwarves and Orcs begins.

2799
The Battle of Azanulbizar. The War of the Dwarves and Orcs ends with the death of Azog.

2802
Dwarves led by Thráin II and Thorin Oakenshield settle in the Blue Mountains

2805
Death of Grór of Durin's Folk. He is succeeded as ruler of the Iron Hills by his grandson Dáin Ironfoot.

2841
Thráin II sets out from the Blue Mountains, seeking to return to Erebor.

2845
Thráin is captured by Sauron, who thus recovers the last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves. Unaware of his father's fate, Thráin's son Thorin becomes King of Durin's Folk.

2850
Gandalf enters Dol Guldur once again and discovers Thráin II imprisoned there. Thráin dies soon afterwards, but not before giving Gandalf a map and key.

2851
The White Council discover proof that the Necromancer of Dol Guldur is Sauron returned. Gandalf urges an immediate attack, but Saruman rejects this.

2859
Birth of Thorin's nephew Fíli.

2866
Birth of Thorin son of Dáin Ironfoot, who would later rule as King Thorin III Stonehelm in Erebor.

2879
Birth of Gimli, later called Elf-friend.

2885
Gondor and Rohan defeat a force of Haradrim at the Crossings of Poros. Folcred and Fastred of Rohan both fall in the battle.

2890
22 September Birth of Bilbo Baggins in the Shire.

c.2890
Very approximate date of the construction of Bag End.

2901
Uruk-hai out of Mordor attack Ithilien, driving out all but a few of its inhabitants. Henneth Annûn is built by the Gondorians.

2911
The year of the Fell Winter. White Wolves invade the Shire.

c.2911
Estimated date of birth of Bard the Bowman.

2941
Journey of Bilbo Baggins to Erebor with Thorin and Gandalf. Expulsion of the Necromancer from Dol Guldur by the White Council.
Bard the Bowman slays the Dragon Smaug.
October: The Battle of Five Armies. Thorin Oakenshield is slain, and his cousin Dáin Ironfoot becomes King of Durin's Folk.
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Re: The interrim

Postby Olthadir » Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:13 pm

Rhovanion is the elvish name for the Wilderland, the area east of the Misty Mountains.
It is essentially unsettled, except for the Dwarves of the Iron Hills to the North and Erabor and Dale Under the Mountain. The elves live in Thranduil's halls.
Esgaroth, or Lake-Town is the only other settlement expressively mentioned by Tolkien.

There is mention of woodsmen living somewhere in Mirkwood. I'd assume they live somewhere to the south or else they would have a larger mention in The Hobbit. Probably between the River and Dol Guldur.

Beorn lived on the western edge of Mirkwood. There are mention of the Beornings, the relatives of Beorn who also have his shapeshifting abilities. I'd assume they'd live somewhere around there but don't like dealing with other people.

The only other thing living in these parts is Radaghast in Rhosgobel which is in the far south of Mirkwood.

Before Smaug was killed, Rhovanion was a dangerous place. Not many people wanted to go there for any reason.
The elves were scary, there was a dragon in the Mountain and spiders in the forest.

There were few travelers because there was no place to go.
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