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by Snapdragon » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:12 am
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:34 am
Snapdragon wrote:3. Orcs rerolling humans when they feel unfairly killed off. No matter how you look at it, getting killed for something stupid would leave a bad taste in anyones mouth. Enough so, that alot of folk would rather roll a new character into the human sphere. That means that not only are then orcs losing two PCs, but often times the humans will be getting at least one more for their ranks which will make em stronger. More bodies, more resources gained from play, more resources processed.
by Snapdragon » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:02 am
AdamBlue wrote:Death is death.
by Onasaki » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:03 am
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:16 am
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:20 am
MrT2G wrote:It isn't a policy to be debated OOC.
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:28 am
Rivean wrote:MrT2G wrote:It isn't a policy to be debated OOC.
The policy is IC. The fact that it can be enforced using magic OOC NPC omniscience is an OOC issue. I have no beef at all with the IC part of it, only the magical enforcement part of it.
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:40 am
MrT2G wrote:Rivean wrote:MrT2G wrote:It isn't a policy to be debated OOC.
The policy is IC. The fact that it can be enforced using magic OOC NPC omniscience is an OOC issue. I have no beef at all with the IC part of it, only the magical enforcement part of it.
Will considering it hasn't been enforced in this way recently doesn't make this an issue!
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:42 am
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:43 am
MrT2G wrote:My firsthand experience and interactions across the board leads me to believe it is no longer being handled this way in.
In extreme cases, it is likely still possible but in general, no.
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:44 am
Rivean wrote:MrT2G wrote:My firsthand experience and interactions across the board leads me to believe it is no longer being handled this way in.
In extreme cases, it is likely still possible but in general, no.
In that case, kudos to the staff!
by EltanimRas » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:48 am
MrT2G wrote:It is an IC rule, established IC to dissuade needless killing. As such it should be discussed IC.
by WorkerDrone » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:01 pm
Brian wrote:See, the thing that I admire about WorkerDrone is that he's an optimist!
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:13 pm
EltanimRas wrote:MrT2G wrote:It is an IC rule, established IC to dissuade needless killing. As such it should be discussed IC.
While I'm not going to opine on the policy itself, I do think that IC and OOC discussion are very different things, and that there's room for both.
Let's say, for example, that our local dictator has ICly (and indefinitely) sealed the gates. Can this be discussed IC? Sure, but if disagreement with said local dictator has a predictable association with negative consequences for the disagree-er, my PC may ICly prefer to keep his mouth shut.
And if a not insignificant part of the reason I (OOCly) dislike this (IC) policy is something like: 'People mud because they want adventure, and if they can't get it in our sphere, they're going to retire and recreate in the other one' ... well, I can only make that point OOCly?
by Hazgarn » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:32 pm
by LuckyV » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:46 pm
Hazgarn wrote:Not an orc player, but I'd think discussion of an IC policy as an element of game design, and its impact on the stability of the sphere, is something that can only take place OOCly.
by EltanimRas » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:49 pm
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:53 pm
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:54 pm
EltanimRas wrote:MrT2G, is your concern that too much OOC discussion of this nature discourages players from taking the initiative to create RP and interaction in-game? Are there other issues you see with it?
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:18 pm
MrT2G wrote:EltanimRas wrote:MrT2G, is your concern that too much OOC discussion of this nature discourages players from taking the initiative to create RP and interaction in-game? Are there other issues you see with it?
Yes, in essence I suppose.
by MrT2G » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:29 pm
Rivean wrote:
"How does my PC react to this" and "Should this exist at all" are two very different questions. The former should be handled ICly, the latter can only be handled OOCly, and can certainly be a valid question to ask.
by Rivean » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:39 pm
MrT2G wrote:The disconnect may be what falls under which category. The examples I've seen given so far largely seem like poor or disfranchising choices by PC leadership in game.
My opinion is that OOC discussion is best used for Admin/Staff decisions that are beyond the realm of players. Anything a player chooses to do in game, in my opinion, can similarly be influenced/changed by players in game.
MrT2G wrote:Edited to add; One example I thought of which players could do that would warrant OOC discussion would be the repeated rolling of 'friend/family' characters that end up being loyal supporters of a clan lead. This is an OOC action on behalf of players that can lead to tremendous IC consequences.
by EltanimRas » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:42 pm
MrT2G wrote:It seems people are willing to take the risk to say something IC, so they say something on the forums instead.
by Justanothacivy » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:34 pm
Icarus wrote:I'm going to kill the next character I see doing stuff like that. I'm not joking.