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by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:18 am
by Gobbo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:23 am
by Justanothacivy » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:18 am
Icarus wrote:I'm going to kill the next character I see doing stuff like that. I'm not joking.
by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:29 am
by Gobbo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:35 am
Songweaver wrote:My suggestion's not a punishment. It's pretty standard procedure when moving from ALPHA to BETA of a game, actually, to PWIPE. Since I doubt a pwipe's going to happen, knocking those gear/skill levels down to levels so that new Laketown characters can actually compete (which is necessary for the success of Laketown) is key.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong on this. Staff have ignored over-sparring for the entirety of SOI3. It's a huge detractor to meaningful roleplay and proactivity (which is necessary for the health of the game).
Additionally, sparring is broken; it's not supposed to let you reach beyond low talented skill levels. That's how the engine was designed, and for a reason.
The idea that people who spend hundreds of hours twink sparring are somehow more invested than other players who don't want to engage in that activity is offensive.
Was I not invested in my previous characters, like Bjarndyr? I didn't do sparring, then. I instead went out and did more proactive and plot-driving things.
Your knee jerk reaction just sounds to me like, "No, I don't want to lose my crazy high level of skill that I gained without any risk to myself by simpling typing 'hit sparmaster' and 'stop' several times a day --- even if that sort of activity is harming the game as a whole."
I understand that reaction, but it's not exactly comprehensive of a global view of the issue.
by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:42 am
by ThinkTwice » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:54 am
Gobbo wrote: But I want to be able to get to adroit AT least before I'm going out to try and solo warg packs for skill gains.
by Melkor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:56 am
by Gobbo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:03 pm
by Real » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:11 pm
by Canawa » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:12 pm
by Bones » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:29 pm
by tehkory » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:33 pm
Why not go a step further? I mean hell. If we're wiping skills, or characters.. Or both.. Why not RPP? I mean.. SW has the right of it, right? NO RPP FOR ANYONE IT ISN"T FAIR!!! AFter all. If I get to Utterby with my 30 RPP that Staff have given me cos I cheat and stuff like everyone says, won't that give me a distinct and unfair advantage over new players? Joe Newbie won't have any RPP. In -fact-.. We can get rid of RPP all together> So no one ever has advantages again. Or Roles. Nimrod! It's time for us to all make normal humans and goblins!
by Bones » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:36 pm
by Real » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:36 pm
by Canawa » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:43 pm
Real wrote:Patrols are 90% boring and happen rarely
Everyone is too afraid to do anything
If you log in at offpeak time, you're faced with 4-5 players online
^ gl going anywhere
Again, numbers are so low that getting stuff done is uncommon and the realm of clanleads, which I am not
Real wrote:What I see here:
"My character is not up to scratch at the moment"
"I don't want to train my skills"
"I should not have to spend time training to be as good at fighting as those who do"
"People with better gear than me should be brought down to a fair level despite efforts to obtain that gear, because power creep"
Real wrote:You know what? We should just all move back to a one-room barge to preserve balance in the meanwhile, take away everything everyone has except the clothes on our backs, all our gold and gear etc. - drop all our skills to Familiar and show up in Laketown with our ****s in our hand. That way, it would really be fair.
by TheEbonPlague » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:48 pm
by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:55 pm
Melkor wrote:The arena prog only allows you to gain skill until you hit talented in deflect.
Real wrote:It really does sound like punishing people for putting time into the game. Having skilled characters is not ruining it for anyone. Nor should it be a thing that we lose the gear we work hard for.
It takes an absolutely ridiculous amount of effort to acquire/craft riveted iron. If you're going to wipe effort from alpha, expect yet another falloff of players who worked hard. You're going to piss off a lot of people, maybe for the wrong reasons but we all play this game for a variety of them.
Also; the polestar these days seems to be consistency and building a foundation that lasts, and this flies right in the face of that.
Fix sparring, but if we're doing anything like a wipe before Laketown I will probably join those that have moved on. I've invested a lot of hours, point finale.
Gobbo wrote:I'd actually argue that by soloing bears/boars/wargs for skill gains you are being more of a recluse and not interacting with ANYONE. AT least a spar needs one other person (if you remove the stupid sparring npc the guard gets.)
On a side note, I find that real sparring is more consistent with skill gains than the arena. The arena is great for learning a new weapon skill or bumping up a skill from beginner/novice. But when you hit familiar you might only get a skill gain every 2-3 arena matches. That is 15 minutes for nothing more than half the time. You can spar 5-10 rounds which takes a minute then BAM, skill gains across your weapon skill, your weapon-style and your deflect.
Canawa wrote:Honestly Songweaver, you don't know me but I remember you and I for the most part don't trust most of what you say or do.
However, this. I was just complaining about this to a friend that I have played this game with since high school. It used to be the norm that once you hit four stars in a spar that the spar was over. Now you have people going down to three, or two... I've even seen someone go down to one star and pass out.
I'm not one for sparring because it takes away from other things. Such as being able to hunt, or go on patrol. At four stars you are injured. At three stars you are MORE injured than you were before.
I do like the idea of the training arena because it makes people interact with one another more than just typing 'hit <target>' and 'stop'.
Bones wrote:Just because I can.. Seriously SW. I love you like an excised tumor, but this seems like a wonderful opportunity to be spiteful. As leader of Camp Twinkamungus on Slaughterhill in Utterby's open area, aren't you very guilty of twinkery in all its horrid forms? Hiring away an armorer and a weaponsmith. Making yourself a bastion against bastions? Stinking with plague, or just poor hygiene?
I'd give this more weight if I didn't know what your silly little Hill-Goblins.. People.. Whatever.. What they were up to. Mind you.. Heh.. We found out what else they were up to when we picked through the burned corpses.. But you know what I mean.
Why not go a step further? I mean hell. If we're wiping skills, or characters.. Or both.. Why not RPP? I mean.. SW has the right of it, right? NO RPP FOR ANYONE IT ISN"T FAIR!!! AFter all. If I get to Utterby with my 30 RPP that Staff have given me cos I cheat and stuff like everyone says, won't that give me a distinct and unfair advantage over new players? Joe Newbie won't have any RPP. In -fact-.. We can get rid of RPP all together> So no one ever has advantages again. Or Roles. Nimrod! It's time for us to all make normal humans and goblins!
by Melkor » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:04 pm
Songweaver wrote:Hmm. I struck a nerve or two. Gonna respond to everyone, so long post.Melkor wrote:The arena prog only allows you to gain skill until you hit talented in deflect.
That's right! It's not a bug. It's how the engine is supposed to work. The reason it doesn't work this way is either because builders are building sparring weapons wrong, or something's become broken in the code.
Sparring was never supposed to take you above Talented levels in skills. You're supposed to go out and do real combat to get there.
Certainly, more PvE content would help with this.
by Bones » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:07 pm
Songweaver wrote:I'd give this more weight if I didn't know what your silly little Hill-Goblins.. People.. Whatever.. What they were up to. Mind you.. Heh.. We found out what else they were up to when we picked through the burned corpses.. But you know what I mean.
Did you jump back on this forum just to remind everyone of what a shitty person you are? If so, I commend you on your dramatic entrance.
Are you still angry for me outing you for cheating and conspiring against players on old SOI while you were on Kite's staff? I would assume so based on your needless offenses here.
by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:13 pm
by Real » Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:16 pm
by radioactivejesus » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:01 pm
Songweaver wrote:If it were me, I'd probably kill a lot of folks off in the finale of ALPHA, too, just so more players would roll into Laketown characters to fill out Laketown's atmosphere. Doesn't really make sense for Utterby PCs to outnumber Laketown PCs after all, does it?
by Songweaver » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:02 pm
by Patty » Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:23 pm